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Chaz Foote's picture

"Meet Me In St. Louis, Louis"

Wondering whether the crop should be different. Thought about emphasizing the tall building but to get larger details, it would need to be much taller, which probably wouldn't fit on the average screen. Also had a lot of fun straightening out the wide-angle distortion.

Nikon D200 with Nikkor 26-200mm lens, 1/320th at f/11, ISO 400, focal length 26mm
07-26-2007

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22 Comments

Matthew Lacy's picture

Good to see you posting again Chaz. This is a very interesting image that brings back a few memories for me. I haven't' been to St. Louis in a while, but it's always a great city to see. This is a unique perspective and unlike any other picture I've seen before. Good job!

Chaz Foote's picture

I was going through old photos and found this one, so I thought I'd get active again. This was only the second time I've been to St. Louis. Thanks

tammy higgins's picture

Good technique. Mosiac mirror type. Great work

Chaz Foote's picture

I like reflections but I can't recall seeing as much distortion caused by the glass in the reflecting building. Thanks

Charles Mercier's picture

Cropping is great. Can you get a little more of lamppost in on the bottom right and a little more of the concrete "border" on the bottom?

Chaz Foote's picture

I could add more of the concrete border on the bottom of the crop but the lamppost was at the extreme edge of the original photo. I'd eliminate it completely but that would set the right border to close to the "dome" and I'm not sure that I could do a good enough job replacing it with Photoshop. When you click on the picture to get it full-sized you can see what I mean.
Thanks

Charles Mercier's picture

I don't think that it would be better better without the bottom corner lamppost.

Chaz Foote's picture

I think it would be better if it wasn't as close to the edge.

The shot was hand-held, so...
--the photo was not exactly level horizontally
--I had to shoot slightly upwards, which resulted in the top appearing farther away
--I was closer to the left-hand side of the building. which resulted in the left-hand side of the building appearing less removed from true vertical than the right.

That all led to my having a lot of fun with Perspective Warp in trying to straighten things. The original photo was in 2x3 ration (h x w). and the result was cropped to 5x4.

Charles Mercier's picture

Sure, I understand completely that one can't always get the perfect perspective when shooting. There have been too many countless times when I couldn't be far enough over, high enough, something/some people in the way, etc. That's why I said great cropping but still asked questions.

Chaz Foote's picture

I understand. If you haven't seen the original, you really can't tell how well or poorly something was done.

When I originally did a crop of the picture several years ago, it just showed the reflection of the large building but this time I felt it should show more than that and I was wondering if it was too much.

Charles Mercier's picture

Well with a good eye, one can generally tell if someone else has a good eye too. It's often pretty obvious. The great photographers never show you the tons of mediocre photos that they take, they just move on much quicker.

Alan Brown's picture

Hey Chaz, I think you have done a great job of aligning the image. I have a similar mirrored image I have been meaning to rework so thanks for this inspiration.

I think the tower being central is not helping the image and I think cropping from the right would help. I love that splash of color on the lamppost but the area to the right of that is doing little to elevate the image.

I would crop, add a bit more saturation and try to counterbalance the teal-colored dome (increase saturation here) with the bold colors on the lampost.

All just a personal suggestion of course, would love to see the final edit (that matches your taste).

Chaz Foote's picture

I agree that the dome's color probably should be enhanced. I picked a standard image size ratio (5x4) but I could try another ratio that makes it taller and less wide, which would accomplish what you suggest.

Matthew Lacy's picture

You might try 4x5 instead.

Chaz Foote's picture

I thought of that but it is still broader than necessary, I think...see new post.

Chaz Foote's picture

This is my try at changing the crop as you suggested and also adding some vibrance to the green dome. I used a 2x3 ratio.

Pitter Brayan's picture

I like reflections but I can't recall seeing as much distortion caused by the glass in the reflecting building. Thanks

Chaz Foote's picture

The amount of distortion was amazing. Individual panes were warped, sloppy installation? As with you, I've never seen anything like that before. Thanks

Vijay Mewada's picture

Hello Mr Chaz. Am all in appreciation for a different visual take. A line of stone at the bottom, provides the termination and solidity to the frame. including the lamppost in frame breaks the monotony of only reflection. for me it provides a good context in this story. However, I was wondering if the lamp post could be composed at some other location. The extreme right bottom lamppost is no no for me as it takes away the attention a little. some cleaning too would add a lot to this frame.

Again, such is a visual treat. Cheers.

Chaz Foote's picture

I suppose I could try a 5x5 ratio for the image, which would allow more room for the pole from the edge and a bit more for the dome of the left-hand side. Not quite sure what you mean by "some cleaning" but if you are talking about the isolated reflections next to the left-hand side of the main reflection, that might be tough to remove without being evident.
Thanks

Vijay Mewada's picture

Mr Chaz, sharing the quick work as mere indication of what I meant. removed all isolated reflections and bottom right lamp post.

For my opinion, the ratio and composition are good and balanced. I also appreciate your vertical format. Both horizontal and vertical have their own stories.

regards.

Chaz Foote's picture

Well, you certainly were better at cleaning those things up without disturbing the underlying structure than I would have been. However, I did convert it to 5x5, which I think works.